MOVERS & SHAPERS: A DANCE PODCAST

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MSP 203: Wendy Rogers

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MSP 203: Wendy Rogers

Release Date: 6.25.26

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Among Company: Becoming a Dancer with Wendy Rogers 

Episode 200: Show Notes. 

What if dance isn’t just about movement, but also about the people who move with you through life? In this reflective episode, dancer, choreographer, and teacher Wendy Rogers joins the show to tell us all about her career and how collaboration guided her creative voice. Wendy’s story is deeply rooted in experimentation, resilience, and the profound kinship shared between dancers. Tuning in, you’ll hear about Wendy’s early life and the struggles that shaped her, her dance education and how those formative years defined her career, the different projects and collectives she was a part of, and the transformative experiences that she had through dance. We explore and honor the wisdom of older, more experienced dancers before discussing what it means to keep learning and evolving across decades of practice. Wendy speaks about a life-altering incident that changed her relationship to her body and helped her step into her identity as a dancer. Our guest even delves into the birth of the Wendy Roger’s Dance Company, the works she created, her years of teaching, and so much more! To hear all this and be reminded that relationships with other dancers is a gift, be sure to press play now! 

Key Points From This Episode:

  • Welcoming Wendy Rogers to the show. 
  • A brief overview of Wendy’s life and early struggles.
  • How Wendy got involved in dance with Ruth Hatfield. 
  • Wendy tells us of her experience at Berkeley High School. 
  • Studying dance education and what made her pivot away from that. 
  • Creating the Moveable Feast and what that time was like for her. 
  • How Margaret Jenkin’s piece, ‘Summerspace’ transformed Wendy. 
  • Wendy tells us about her dance collective, Among Company. 
  • What we can learn from older, more experienced dancers. 
  • How her accident changed her life and made her call herself a dancer.
  • The Wendy Rogers Dance Company and the first dances she created.
  • Why Wendy believes that relationships with other dancers are a gift.
  • A brief overview of her time teaching and her ‘ten-year projects’.
  • What Wendy is up to now and what’s next for her.

I have choreographed and performed contemporary dances for over fifty years, residing in the East Bay Area, New York City and Riverside (University of California dance faculty, 1996-2016). I am grounded in the radical pedagogy of Ruth Hatfield begun in childhood, Berkeley, 1957. Movement exploration is primary. Years of study and/or performance with Modern/postmodern artists (e.g. David Wood, Margaret Jenkins, Merce Cunningham, Carolyn Brown, Sara Rudner) led me to a neo-experimental approach, set and improvised work. I dance in dialogue with the work of others across decades, following composer Lou Harrison’s words: “Cherish, conserve, consider, create.” I also worked in projects produced by composers John Luther Adams and Paul Dresher; and in one instance on the moon of Endor, filmmaker George Lucas.

I am grateful for community learning in college dance programs: UC Berkeley (BA 1971) and Stanford (M.Ed. 1993). Since 1968, work as a college dance educator intertwined with my creative process, providing livelihood, context and a wealth of intergenerational relationships. Exposure and experience of 1970’s downtown dancing in New York City, notably dancing alongside Sara Rudner, expanded possibilities of both physicality and imagination. Returning to Berkely, CA, I formed The Wendy Rogers Dance Company (1977-90). Together with dancers, composers and artists, we made each dance its own world. In 1991 I transformed the Company into ten-year projects that intensify ongoing creative cycles with collaborators. In multi-year projects, dances focused by singular concepts evolve and morph into specific performances allied to occasion and place. The extended time frame allowed for in depth explorations of the perceptual, physical and poetic relationships we form with our surroundings, and each other. See What Happens (2011-?) rekindles past dancing from my Body of Work (1968-present) through ‘REPO’ – a process of recovering and exploring histories at play in dance making. Together with multi-generational collaborators, I repossess moving artifacts, while generating dances arising from the emerging present. We engage directly with the temporality of dance and a dancer’s body, raising questions of who dances how over time. The pandemic interrupted and suspended the project as I had initiated it. However, instead of ending, SWH has become an ongoing way to be, whether instigating activities or welcoming opportunities generated by others. I reinvent how to move in studio time with Sara Rudner and Risa Jaroslow, dance mates from NYC circa 1975, together again in the East Bay! I continue dance relations with Jennifer Jerum and John Diaz, dance mates from SoCal since 1997. And more. As our lives and bodies change, we destabilize ourselves to find different routes.

Over the years my work was supported by Fellowships from the Foundation for Contemporary Arts, the Irvine Fellowship in Dance, the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, and the National Endowment for the Arts; a 2009 Fulbright Visiting Scholar Award in Malaysia; and a University of California Dickson Emerita Professorship (2018-19). The support of fellow artists cannot be overstated: every dance foray fills me with gratitude for work made and life lived with extraordinary artists. This historic moment of sociopolitical catastrophe, changes everything. I remain confident in the relevance of dancing – everybody’s and my own.

Wendy Rogers, June 23, 2026

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MSP 202: Jill Sifah Sigman

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MSP 202: Jill Sifah Sigman

Release Date: 6.12.26

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Authenticity in Motion: Jill Sifah Sigman on Dance, Props, and Purpose

Episode 202: Show Notes. 

From her early experiences of finding freedom in ballet classes, to becoming a devoted bunhead, to her modern dance studies at Princeton, and her current work in choreography and movement artistry, Jill Sifah Sigman has a storied creative legacy. During this episode, we dive deep into the origins of the themes that continue to inform her work today. We also unpack the layered meaning of working with waste and donated objects to build structures she uses in her performances, how this differs from props and sets, and how this deeply meaningful practice shapes her work. Next, we explore the tension between the artifice we often associate with performance and the authentic expression she has always valued most about her dance practice. Building on this, we dive into what it might look like to strike a balance between work that is accessible and work that resonates with audiences in a more meaningful way. Join us for a truly expansive conversation with today’s inspiring guest.

Key Points From This Episode:

    • Jill Sifah Sigman’s journey to dance, from early ballet to choreography and movement artistry. 
    • How her studies shaped her relationship to archetypes, philosophy, and movement. 
    • Starting her company in 1998 after graduating from Princeton. 
    • Her journey to making and understanding site-specific work.
    • Starting to work with waste in 2007, before it began to inform the message of her work. 
    • Meaningful opportunities to repurpose waste into structures used in her dance productions.
    • Her journey to working with foraged plants. 
    • Distinguishing between the artifice and authenticity of performance. 
    • How plants, movement, and clay came to shape her project, Reseeding. 
    • Exploring insatiability, hoarding, and the antidote of soil. 
    • The power of art-making in facilitating connection. 
    • Navigating the tension between creating recognizable work and embracing experimentation.
    • How her full-time care of her father informed her work and her response to the present.

Jill Sifah Sigman is a queer interdisciplinary artist and agent of change whose work exists at the intersection of dance, visual art, and social practice. Based in New York City, she founded jill sigman/thinkdance in 1998 to think about pressing social issues through the body. In 2016, she developed Body Politic, a program of workshops, trainings, and performance laboratories to ask salient political questions somatically, and in 2022 she initiated a Social Justice Movement Lab for artist-activists. Working with things we discard such as waste and weedy plants, Sigman helps us to re-build our relationships with the natural world and each other in meaningful and empathic ways. Sigman has created community by building site-specific structures out of waste, dancing in public spaces, food sharing, and tea serving. She is the author of Ten Huts, published by Wesleyan University Press (2017), about choreographing huts out of garbage in different parts of the world. Sigman has been the first Gibney Dance Community Action Artist in Residence; a Choreographic Fellow at the Maggie Allesee National Center for Choreography; a Distinguished Guest Artist at the University of San Francisco Performing Arts & Social Justice program; a resident artist at Movement Research, Guapamacátaro Interdisciplinary Residency in Art and Ecology (Mexico), The Kri Foundation (India), and The Rauschenberg Residency; a Choreographic Fellow at the Tisch Initiative for Creative Research at NYU; and a Creative Campus Fellow at Wesleyan University. She was born and raised on occupied Lunaape Canarsee homeland, also known as south Brooklyn.

 

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MSP 201: Rym Kechacha

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MSP 201: Rym Kechacha

Release Date: 5.28.26

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From the Stage to the Page with Rym Kechacha

Episode 201: Show Notes. 

Sometimes you can get everything you want as a dancer, only to discover the reality is quite different from what you imagined it would be. In this episode, author and former dancer, Rym Kechacha, shares how that realization shaped her own journey, from early ballet training in London to dancing professionally with Northern Ballet, where touring life was both joyful and intensely demanding. She reflects on what it felt like to end her career as a dancer earlier than expected, and how that ending opened the door to a new creative identity. Rym traces her path into teaching, studying creative writing, and eventually publishing fiction, shaped by a lifelong love of books and fantasy. Our conversation explores her latest novel, The Apple and the Pearl, a ballet-inspired fantasy that captures both the beauty and cruelty of the stage world, blending realism with folkloric and fantastical elements. Thoughtful and candid about reinvention, artistry, and creative freedom, Rym offers her insights on what happens when one dream ends and another begins. Listen in for a rich discussion on dance, writing, and the stories that carry us forward!

Key Points From This Episode:

  • Rym’s upbringing in London and her love of dance from a young age.

  • How she persuaded her parents to let her attend ballet school at age 16.

  • The demanding daily schedule of life at Central School of Ballet.

  • Figuring out her plans after Ballet School and how her love of story ballets guided her.

  • How she joined Northern Ballet and what it was like touring with the company.

  • The serious impact of arts funding cuts and austerity measures in 2010.

  • Losing her place at Northern Ballet: why it was both sad and liberating.

  • What Rym did next in her career: travelling, au pairing, and becoming a teacher.

  • How she rediscovered writing, earned her creative writing MA, and published her first novel.

  • Reflections on the challenges of publishing and how ballet prepares you for rejection.

  • Her experience writing her latest book, The Apple and The Pearl, and how it relates to ballet.

  • A closer look at her upcoming novels, from Algerian history to London folklore and fantasy.

Rym Kechacha is a writer and teacher. After her dance career, she began to write fiction and is now the author of three novels. Her first novel, Dark River, tells the story of two mothers dealing with the effects of climate change, eight thousand years apart. Her second novel, To Catch a Moon, was published in 2022 and is a fantasy based on the paintings of Spanish Surrealist Remedios Varo. Her third novel, The Apple and the Pearl, is published in 2026 and is set over the course of a single day in the life of a magical touring ballet company. She lives in Norwich, UK with her family, too many books and an unruly garden.

 

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MSP 200: Connecting with the World Through Dance with Kitty McNamee

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MSP 200: Kitty McNamee

Release Date: 5.7.26

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Connecting with the World Through Dance with Kitty McNamee

Episode 200: Show Notes. 

So much of what validates the human experience is the ability to collaborate and connect with other people in the world, and today’s guest has managed to do that through dance! Kitty McNamee joins us today to talk about her impressive career and how she found success despite limitations. Kitty was first drawn to the escapism element of musical movies and the wordless expression of dance, and although she started dancing very late, she was accepted to Houston’s performing arts high school. In this conversation, you’ll hear all about how starting dance at the age of 16 made her even more passionate because she really had to fight for success. Kitty goes on to talk about how she started choreographing and touches on her choreographic voice and style before sharing the importance of community and relationships in this industry. Kitty even tells us about the projects she is most proud of and teases what we can look forward to seeing from her in the future. From dance films to documentaries to pop-up performances by LA artists, Kitty’s career is truly an amalgamation of different art forms and a testimony to the power of collaboration with other artists. This is an episode you don’t want to miss, so be sure to press play now!

Key Points From This Episode:

  • A brief introduction to today’s guest, Kitty McNamee. 
  • Where she’s from and how she became interested in dance. 
  • Kitty’s experience at Houston’s performing arts high school. 
  • Her physical limitations and why she thought she should be an actress.  
  • Choreographing for Open Fist and starting her own dance company. 
  • Kitty describes her choreographic voice, movement themes, and influences. 
  • How her career progressed and how community and relationships kept her going. 
  • Her transition into working in dance films and how she got into that. 
  • Kitty tells us about her latest documentary project, Citizen, and her involvement. 
  • What LA POPS UP is and what inspired Kitty to create it. 
  • Her work with Laura Marling and what it’s been like to work in different kinds of spaces. 
  • Kitty shares her favorite dance projects and what she is most proud of. 
  • What we can look forward to from Kitty’s career in the future.

 

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MSP 199: Bhumi B Patel

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MSP 199: Bhumi B Patel

Release Date: 4.23.26

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Balancing Dance and Academia with Bhumi B Patel

Episode 199: Show Notes 

Dance is a beautiful medium to honor the past while building community in the present. Today, we are joined by Bhumi Patel of Patel Dance Works to discuss her illustrious career. In this episode, you’ll hear all about Bhumi’s life, her creative interests, her college education at a women’s liberal arts institution, her love for constant learning and education, and so much more! We delve into her MFA experience and working through injury before discussing her dissertation on how queer of color performance is informed by improvisational practice and the ‘ghosts’ of the past. She even tells us about getting her Ph.D. during COVID, what her research was about, and how she managed to finish it in just four years. Lastly, Bhumi tells us how she plans on expanding her dissertation work into a book and what else we can expect from her in the future. From her master’s thesis encompassing the upheaval after World War Two, to her deep love for dance writing, Bhumi’s talents, interests, and achievements are fascinating! This is a conversation you don’t want to miss, so be sure to tune in now!

Key Points From This Episode:

  • Introducing Bhumi Patel to the show. 
  • How she became interested in dance, and why she chose a women’s college. 
  • What inspired Bhumi to pursue a career in dance during her undergrad. 
  • Bhumi tells us about her master’s thesis on Anna Sokolow’s Rooms. 
  • What kept drawing Bhumi back into an academic setting. 
  • Bhumi’s experience doing her MFA at Mills College and her focus on grief. 
  • Her dissertation on how queer of color performance is informed by improvisation. 
  • How she advocated for change through writing and starting her dance company. 
  • Bhumi tells us about the content of her Ph.D. and her determination to finish it fast. 
  • What she plans to do with her research and her plans for the future.
Dr. Bhumi B Patel is a queer home-seeker and science fiction choreographer, director of pateldanceworks, and scholar/writer. In its purest form, she creates performances as a love letter to her ancestors. Bhumi earned her PhD in Dance Studies from The Ohio State University, her MFA in Dance from Mills College, and her MA in American Dance Studies from Florida State University. Patel is a member of Dancing Around Race, founded by Gerald Casel, and engages with curatorial practices for both performances and written publications. Patel’s work has been presented at Movement Research (NY), The Asia Pacific Dance Festival (Manoa, Hawai’i), Urban Arts Space (Columbus, OH), Human Resources (LA), CounterPulse (SF), Joe Goode Annex (SF), RoundAntennae (Berkeley), SAFEhouse Arts (SF), max10 (Santa Cruz), RAWdance’s Concept Series (SF), The San Francisco International Arts Festival, Berkeley Finnish Hall, PUSHfest (SF), Shawl-Anderson’s Queering Dance Festival (Berkeley), and Deborah Slater’s Studio 210 Residency (SF). Bhumi has been a Lead Artist with SAFEhouse Arts, an Emerging Arts Professionals Fellow, and a Women of Color in the Arts Leadership through Mentorship Fellow. Her research has been presented at Dance Studies Association, Performance Studies international, the Asia Pacific Dance Festival Conference, the National Women’s Studies Association, the Popular Culture Association, the International Conference on Movement and Computing and other symposia. Patel has been published in Performance Research Journal, Refractions Journal, the San Francisco Chronicle, Life as a Modern Dancer, Contact Quarterly, and InDance. Her co-authored essay, “Locating Popular Dance and Dance in Popular Culture” and case study essays “Gender Is a Drag: Performing Hybridity on RuPaul’s Drag Race’s Maxi Challenge ‘Prancing with the Queens’” and “‘To Exist is to Survive Unfair Choices’: The OA and Queer Acts of Protest” appear in Dance in US Popular Culture edited By Jennifer Atkins. Patel has a forthcoming essay on performing futurisms in The Routledge Companion to Performance and Technology. Patel serves as Editorial Assistant for Choreographic Practices. Bhumi was a 2022-2023 Dance/USA Fellow and a 2023 YBCA 100 Honoree. Making art is her way of tracing the deeply woven connections in which we live–past, present, future–as a way to build communities of nourishment and care.
Patel Dance Works

 

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